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	<description>A Fan Campaign to Bring Carson Back to Atlantis</description>
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		<title>By: Keith Bradbury</title>
		<link>http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2008/06/27/gero-talks-keller-versus-beckett/comment-page-2/#comment-68195</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Bradbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an observation...

Stargate has had the nefarious reputation of taking actors who were ADORED in other TV series (usually Star Trek) and turning them into loathsome, unlikeable, or annoying characters. Robert Picardo was hillarious in Star Trek, but humorless and tedious in SG1/Atlantis. Colm Meaney is a wonderful character in Star Trek TNG and DS9 as O&#039;Brien, but is made into a thoroughly unlikeable character in Atlantis. The same has appeared to transpire in Jewel Staite&#039;s situation. It appears there is more exuberance in the fact that they get this &quot;big name actors&quot; to play in their show than creating meaningful, likeable characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an observation&#8230;</p>
<p>Stargate has had the nefarious reputation of taking actors who were ADORED in other TV series (usually Star Trek) and turning them into loathsome, unlikeable, or annoying characters. Robert Picardo was hillarious in Star Trek, but humorless and tedious in SG1/Atlantis. Colm Meaney is a wonderful character in Star Trek TNG and DS9 as O&#8217;Brien, but is made into a thoroughly unlikeable character in Atlantis. The same has appeared to transpire in Jewel Staite&#8217;s situation. It appears there is more exuberance in the fact that they get this &#8220;big name actors&#8221; to play in their show than creating meaningful, likeable characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2008/06/27/gero-talks-keller-versus-beckett/comment-page-2/#comment-48777</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s all moot now since MGM pulled the plug on the series in Sci Fi and Gate World&#039;s announcement this  past week. All the hard work we did to get Paul back only resulted on five episodes and, unless they write him into the DVD movies we&#039;ll never see our lovable Scot again except in the DVDs for Seasons 1 thru 5.  I&#039;m thinking they already knew MGM was pulling the plug which is why they DIDN&#039;T bring Paul/Carson back as a full time cast member, instead shoving Jewel State/Keller down our throats! It&#039;s also probably why Wright and Cooper bailed to go to this new show STARGATE UNIVERSE! Oh and, MAYBE, some former cast from SG-1 and ATLANTIS MIGHT be seen in this new show!

MGM claimed it was getting too expensive to film in Canada. My question is, WHERE are they filming this new show? Let me guess.....CANADA!!!!!

I wish Paul and every else in the cast (except maybe for Jewel) the best of luck and hope to see ALL of them in the Sci Fi movie and the DVDs that follow!  

Paulie, we love ya still and we hope to see you in a new series some time soon! We&#039;ll never forget Carson Beckett........EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s all moot now since MGM pulled the plug on the series in Sci Fi and Gate World&#8217;s announcement this  past week. All the hard work we did to get Paul back only resulted on five episodes and, unless they write him into the DVD movies we&#8217;ll never see our lovable Scot again except in the DVDs for Seasons 1 thru 5.  I&#8217;m thinking they already knew MGM was pulling the plug which is why they DIDN&#8217;T bring Paul/Carson back as a full time cast member, instead shoving Jewel State/Keller down our throats! It&#8217;s also probably why Wright and Cooper bailed to go to this new show STARGATE UNIVERSE! Oh and, MAYBE, some former cast from SG-1 and ATLANTIS MIGHT be seen in this new show!</p>
<p>MGM claimed it was getting too expensive to film in Canada. My question is, WHERE are they filming this new show? Let me guess&#8230;..CANADA!!!!!</p>
<p>I wish Paul and every else in the cast (except maybe for Jewel) the best of luck and hope to see ALL of them in the Sci Fi movie and the DVDs that follow!  </p>
<p>Paulie, we love ya still and we hope to see you in a new series some time soon! We&#8217;ll never forget Carson Beckett&#8230;&#8230;..EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: TJuk</title>
		<link>http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2008/06/27/gero-talks-keller-versus-beckett/comment-page-2/#comment-47358</link>
		<dc:creator>TJuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

Nope, Paul comes back for 5 episodes in season 5 (and 2...well 1 and a bit in season 4). The Seed, Whispers, Outsides, Identity and the final episode of season 5 (not as yet named, its the 100th episode of the series). So technically yes we were successful, not as much as we&#039;d hoped but it was a good result and we&#039;re hoping for more IF there is a season 6.

As for Weir, Torri was offered 1 episodes in season 5 and turned it down. She has reportedly moved on from Atlantis and said in interviews that she didn&#039;t feel the material she was offered honored her character or gave proper closure for the fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Nope, Paul comes back for 5 episodes in season 5 (and 2&#8230;well 1 and a bit in season 4). The Seed, Whispers, Outsides, Identity and the final episode of season 5 (not as yet named, its the 100th episode of the series). So technically yes we were successful, not as much as we&#8217;d hoped but it was a good result and we&#8217;re hoping for more IF there is a season 6.</p>
<p>As for Weir, Torri was offered 1 episodes in season 5 and turned it down. She has reportedly moved on from Atlantis and said in interviews that she didn&#8217;t feel the material she was offered honored her character or gave proper closure for the fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Sulk</title>
		<link>http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2008/06/27/gero-talks-keller-versus-beckett/comment-page-2/#comment-47268</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Sulk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great BLOG. I couldn&#039;t agree more with all the sentiments.  I just started watching Atlantis and am about 3 episodes from Sunday - where apparently Carson dies.  Not looking forward to it.  I didn&#039;t care for Weir at first but LOVE her now. And I LOVE carson too.  I actually miss Ford too so for what that&#039;s worth.  Anyway,  I have been working my way through the DVDs, and trying not to spoil season 4 yet by watching too much of season 5 on TV.  Can you guys tell me is he back permanently now in season 5 or not?  Was this campaing sucessful?   Can we get Wier back too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great BLOG. I couldn&#8217;t agree more with all the sentiments.  I just started watching Atlantis and am about 3 episodes from Sunday &#8211; where apparently Carson dies.  Not looking forward to it.  I didn&#8217;t care for Weir at first but LOVE her now. And I LOVE carson too.  I actually miss Ford too so for what that&#8217;s worth.  Anyway,  I have been working my way through the DVDs, and trying not to spoil season 4 yet by watching too much of season 5 on TV.  Can you guys tell me is he back permanently now in season 5 or not?  Was this campaing sucessful?   Can we get Wier back too?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Shadle</title>
		<link>http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2008/06/27/gero-talks-keller-versus-beckett/comment-page-2/#comment-45310</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Shadle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey sorry about all the typos, guys! But my earlier comments stand! They HAVE NO concrete answer for WHY they killed off Carson...only the fact they wanted to shove Jewel Staite down our throats as a ...gasp!...wheeze!...DOCTOR who SHouldn&#039;t be the CMO of a city like Atlantis with NO prior experience at doing such! And I really felt insensed by the way Gero talked to and treated the fans who showed up for the demonstration outside Bridge Studios last year! I would have been tempted to kick him in the nuts as he so aptly put it if he talked to me that way! Talk about belittle! Maybe I will try to take him to task this coming week at the San Diego Comic Con! The twit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey sorry about all the typos, guys! But my earlier comments stand! They HAVE NO concrete answer for WHY they killed off Carson&#8230;only the fact they wanted to shove Jewel Staite down our throats as a &#8230;gasp!&#8230;wheeze!&#8230;DOCTOR who SHouldn&#8217;t be the CMO of a city like Atlantis with NO prior experience at doing such! And I really felt insensed by the way Gero talked to and treated the fans who showed up for the demonstration outside Bridge Studios last year! I would have been tempted to kick him in the nuts as he so aptly put it if he talked to me that way! Talk about belittle! Maybe I will try to take him to task this coming week at the San Diego Comic Con! The twit!</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Krajecki</title>
		<link>http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2008/06/27/gero-talks-keller-versus-beckett/comment-page-2/#comment-45026</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie Krajecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why Dr. Beckett was killed in the Sunday episode.  He was one of my favorite characters.  Please find a way to return him to the show.  I do not want another character to replace him.  What a tragic mistake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why Dr. Beckett was killed in the Sunday episode.  He was one of my favorite characters.  Please find a way to return him to the show.  I do not want another character to replace him.  What a tragic mistake!</p>
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		<title>By: DMG</title>
		<link>http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2008/06/27/gero-talks-keller-versus-beckett/comment-page-2/#comment-45023</link>
		<dc:creator>DMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been Jewel Staite fan since &quot;Flash Forward&quot; on the Disney Channel when I was younger (I think I&#039;m just a year or 2 older than her). Then loved her again in Firefly/Serenity &amp; even liked her bitchy character in Wonderfalls. Even thought she was a really cool wraith girl.

But yeah, Keller&#039;s such a whiner - how was she even supposed to be believable to be chosen for Atlantis? If she&#039;s SO scared of all this Pegasus galaxy danger, why did she accept the position? I&#039;m still left wondering WHY??? I like the actress but the lines they give her are horrible.

Also, not sure which I feel more sorry for: Ronan or Rodney, bc it seems one of them will be stuck with her. I have to admit, it will be more believable for Rodney to end up with her &amp; I sort of liked them together in No Man&#039;s Land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been Jewel Staite fan since &#8220;Flash Forward&#8221; on the Disney Channel when I was younger (I think I&#8217;m just a year or 2 older than her). Then loved her again in Firefly/Serenity &amp; even liked her bitchy character in Wonderfalls. Even thought she was a really cool wraith girl.</p>
<p>But yeah, Keller&#8217;s such a whiner &#8211; how was she even supposed to be believable to be chosen for Atlantis? If she&#8217;s SO scared of all this Pegasus galaxy danger, why did she accept the position? I&#8217;m still left wondering WHY??? I like the actress but the lines they give her are horrible.</p>
<p>Also, not sure which I feel more sorry for: Ronan or Rodney, bc it seems one of them will be stuck with her. I have to admit, it will be more believable for Rodney to end up with her &amp; I sort of liked them together in No Man&#8217;s Land.</p>
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		<title>By: TJuk</title>
		<link>http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2008/06/27/gero-talks-keller-versus-beckett/comment-page-2/#comment-44776</link>
		<dc:creator>TJuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with astrumporta, JM has been really great to us, always respected and supported the campaign and above all was NOT the one who made the decision to get rid of Carson/Paul, that was ultimately Brad Wright. I&#039;m not sure about Torri/Weir but unfortunately thats a totally seperate issue from SCB (though I&#039;m sure most people here support SEW).

The BEST way to really put someone on the spot is to be utterly reasonable, that way they cant use character assassination to avoid the question. Use an short, articulate, calculated, polite and hard hitting question, but do it calmly and you will nail them. If you&#039;re going to ask the big stuff about the cast changes, go back through the interview archive on GW and look for their various quotes and especially look for stuff that contradicts what they previously said, provide &#039;evidence&#039;. Hell, treat it like they&#039;re on trial. I.e. for Gero, I would bring up his &#039;politics&#039; line which infered more then it being story related, quote the fact the ratings dropped dramatically after Sunday (at least they did in the UK) and that we know it wasn&#039;t the Network who asked for a &#039;death&#039; (if the execs are there, throw that part at them).

If you&#039;re agressive, or rude (not saying you will be, its very hard to stay calm and focused when so justifiably pissed off) you just look like an idiot and will be dismissed as one of those crazy fans. The execs certainly wont take you seriously!

I for one would love for someone to ask Brad Wright if he goes to Comic Con (didn&#039;t someone say he was?) about Paul/Carson as he has NEVER commented. And if or rather when he tries to deflect the question, politely bring him back on to topic. I&#039;d also point out that fact, that he has never uttered so much as a &#039;sorry to see Paul go&#039; comment in ANY interview ANYWHERE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with astrumporta, JM has been really great to us, always respected and supported the campaign and above all was NOT the one who made the decision to get rid of Carson/Paul, that was ultimately Brad Wright. I&#8217;m not sure about Torri/Weir but unfortunately thats a totally seperate issue from SCB (though I&#8217;m sure most people here support SEW).</p>
<p>The BEST way to really put someone on the spot is to be utterly reasonable, that way they cant use character assassination to avoid the question. Use an short, articulate, calculated, polite and hard hitting question, but do it calmly and you will nail them. If you&#8217;re going to ask the big stuff about the cast changes, go back through the interview archive on GW and look for their various quotes and especially look for stuff that contradicts what they previously said, provide &#8216;evidence&#8217;. Hell, treat it like they&#8217;re on trial. I.e. for Gero, I would bring up his &#8216;politics&#8217; line which infered more then it being story related, quote the fact the ratings dropped dramatically after Sunday (at least they did in the UK) and that we know it wasn&#8217;t the Network who asked for a &#8216;death&#8217; (if the execs are there, throw that part at them).</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re agressive, or rude (not saying you will be, its very hard to stay calm and focused when so justifiably pissed off) you just look like an idiot and will be dismissed as one of those crazy fans. The execs certainly wont take you seriously!</p>
<p>I for one would love for someone to ask Brad Wright if he goes to Comic Con (didn&#8217;t someone say he was?) about Paul/Carson as he has NEVER commented. And if or rather when he tries to deflect the question, politely bring him back on to topic. I&#8217;d also point out that fact, that he has never uttered so much as a &#8216;sorry to see Paul go&#8217; comment in ANY interview ANYWHERE.</p>
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		<title>By: astrumporta</title>
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		<dc:creator>astrumporta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reiko, I&#039;d have to say I wouldn&#039;t go along with trying to &quot;embarrass&quot; Joe or Martin in public. Joe has been very good to this campaign. And after all, they aren&#039;t obligated to tell us everything that happened behind the scenes, and maybe we don&#039;t really want to know. They might have been better off never to try to explain anything about Carson or Weir, since every hint just makes fans more angry... As for Joe F, I think it&#039;s sort of funny he calls them &quot;his actors&quot;... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reiko, I&#8217;d have to say I wouldn&#8217;t go along with trying to &#8220;embarrass&#8221; Joe or Martin in public. Joe has been very good to this campaign. And after all, they aren&#8217;t obligated to tell us everything that happened behind the scenes, and maybe we don&#8217;t really want to know. They might have been better off never to try to explain anything about Carson or Weir, since every hint just makes fans more angry&#8230; As for Joe F, I think it&#8217;s sort of funny he calls them &#8220;his actors&#8221;&#8230; <img src='http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reiko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional comment - as for somebody that HAS spoken up about the cast changes and is not afraid to criticize them? Joe Flanigan. 

In a SciFi interview:
 &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Joe Flannigan, how has the interpersonal dynamic on the show changed in season four? 
 Flannigan: &lt;/b&gt;We&#039;ve lost Paul McGillion, who was a valued member of our team, personally and professionally. So we miss him. We have lost Torri Higginson—my God, this sounds like a funeral—who was also a really valued member of our group.&lt;/i&gt;

And in one of many con reports - this is one from Armegeddon in NX October 2008 -
&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;A woman asked about Tori not being around. He said it was a difficult thing. And he clearly doesn&#039;t like how the audience gets invested in a character, and then the producers or whoever, kill them off. He says they think they get ratings spikes with doing that, but he disagrees – it&#039;s shortlived. He encouraged people to write in and tell them how much they like Tori. He referred to Paul, and was rather upset about what happened there. Later on, he says how he loves his actors, he goes and fights for them. It was very sad when they filmed the funeral scene for Carson [...] It was very hard. He wants them to bring Carson back – it&#039;s sci-fi after all. He comes back in Season 4 briefly&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional comment &#8211; as for somebody that HAS spoken up about the cast changes and is not afraid to criticize them? Joe Flanigan. </p>
<p>In a SciFi interview:<br />
 <i><b>Joe Flannigan, how has the interpersonal dynamic on the show changed in season four?<br />
 Flannigan: </b>We&#8217;ve lost Paul McGillion, who was a valued member of our team, personally and professionally. So we miss him. We have lost Torri Higginson—my God, this sounds like a funeral—who was also a really valued member of our group.</i></p>
<p>And in one of many con reports &#8211; this is one from Armegeddon in NX October 2008 -<br />
<i><b>A woman asked about Tori not being around. He said it was a difficult thing. And he clearly doesn&#8217;t like how the audience gets invested in a character, and then the producers or whoever, kill them off. He says they think they get ratings spikes with doing that, but he disagrees – it&#8217;s shortlived. He encouraged people to write in and tell them how much they like Tori. He referred to Paul, and was rather upset about what happened there. Later on, he says how he loves his actors, he goes and fights for them. It was very sad when they filmed the funeral scene for Carson [...] It was very hard. He wants them to bring Carson back – it&#8217;s sci-fi after all. He comes back in Season 4 briefly</b></i></p>
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